Guest-only advertisements. This kind of ability goes on the stack after it triggers (C.R. Help | Edit: adding comprehensive rules reference. Let's say I'm on my second turn off a Final Fortune. Coalition Relic can charge for 1 turn, Skyclave Relic is super versatile/rugged, and Everflowing Chalice can be huge if you want, 6-10 mana is absurd but sometimes comes up. It's akin to "concede or I stall". Also, I think loops generally have to do something for a judge to not consider them stalling, and I don't think making my opponent say "no" counts as doing something. It removes marked damage from all permanents. Press J to jump to the feed. Delina, Wild Mage has an effect that creates a token with an ordinary triggered ability, which says "Exile this creature at end of combat" at the time of this writing. Now, if the End Step began, all those "beginning of the end step" triggers have triggered and are on the stack waiting to resolve.The interesting thing is that if you end the turn with them waiting to resolve, the triggers get exiled and the game advances to the Cleanup Step. Privacy statement | you're trying to force a different outcome via infinite loop. By rejecting non-essential cookies, Reddit may still use certain cookies to ensure the proper functionality of our platform. After looking into the rules surrounding loops and using the best of my judgely knowledge, it does appear to work, but I can't find any specific mentions of the situation on oracle rulings, or threads of the interaction in general, which seemed odd to me, considering the strangeness of this interaction. I love commander a lot, but man the prices get me down. Just wanted to say that this is a such a brilliant answer - you sound like an academic. 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What you are looking for are words that qualify that specific end of turn. Obeka, Brute Chronologist As Commander As Card Average Deck Decks Combos Obeka, Brute Chronologist (Card) $0.35 $0.25 0.29 TIX In 3180 decks 1% of 232421 decks Navigation Aetherhub Archidekt Deckstats Gatherer Moxfield MTGGoldfish MTGStocks Scryfall Average Type Distribution The rules manager confirmed this doesn't work the way I'd like it too https://mobile.twitter.com/WotC_Matt/status/1365372480412471296 interesting that they don't consider choices independent actions. The player whose turn it is discards down to their maximum hand size. Magic: The Gathering. I untap and retap Obeka with the same question. Otherwise, priority would not pass to all players during a cleanup step, and there would be no need for a second end-the-turn effect? You are 'looping' only before the resolution of Obeka, putting so many Obeka actions on the stack. NM; EX; VG; G; 2 available @ $0.79 . EDIT (Sep. 18): Some rules were renumbered in the meantime. The trigger to exile the tokens happens on your end step, so using Obeka lets you keep the tokens permanently. Ive done a lot of reading and keep getting conflicting information. Doesn't work at all. I activate Aphetto Alchemist targeting itself and Obeka. by Outcryqq 2 years ago, Post Likewise, "[do something] at end of combat" (e.g., in myriad [C.R. It has Tap: The player whose turn it is may end the turn. Because the trigger for the token destruction is for combat steps only after the original creature (or copies) attacked. I'm sure no one else is too surprised though . The only stipulated way in the rules (for the given scenario) to force your opponent to take an action they don't want to take is via 722.3. by not-a-cube 2 years ago, Post Obeka is a lot trickier to know what you can and can't do than she seems on the surface, and part of this is due to obsolete wording found on some of the best cards to use her with. 514.2, 514.3a). This doesnt work the way you want it to. ._1x9diBHPBP-hL1JiwUwJ5J{font-size:14px;font-weight:500;line-height:18px;color:#ff585b;padding-left:3px;padding-right:24px}._2B0OHMLKb9TXNdd9g5Ere-,._1xKxnscCn2PjBiXhorZef4{height:16px;padding-right:4px;vertical-align:top}.icon._1LLqoNXrOsaIkMtOuTBmO5{height:20px;vertical-align:middle;padding-right:8px}.QB2Yrr8uihZVRhvwrKuMS{height:18px;padding-right:8px;vertical-align:top}._3w_KK8BUvCMkCPWZVsZQn0{font-size:14px;font-weight:500;line-height:18px;color:var(--newCommunityTheme-actionIcon)}._3w_KK8BUvCMkCPWZVsZQn0 ._1LLqoNXrOsaIkMtOuTBmO5,._3w_KK8BUvCMkCPWZVsZQn0 ._2B0OHMLKb9TXNdd9g5Ere-,._3w_KK8BUvCMkCPWZVsZQn0 ._1xKxnscCn2PjBiXhorZef4,._3w_KK8BUvCMkCPWZVsZQn0 .QB2Yrr8uihZVRhvwrKuMS{fill:var(--newCommunityTheme-actionIcon)} I was looking at your land count and average Mana Value and I think you probably are running too few lands at this point, it's very tempting to cut them, but 30 is probably too few for a MV that is over 2.5. This site is unaffiliated. It would be the active player not the one who started the loop. Articles and comments are user-submitted and do not represent official endorsements of this site. I have demonstrated a loop. Sundial of the Infinite - (G) (SF) (txt)Identity Thief - (G) (SF) (txt)Ball Lightning - (G) (SF) (txt)Heat Shimmer - (G) (SF) (txt)[[cardname]] or [[cardname|SET]] to call. If the turn ends with Obeka (or Sundial of the Infinite). Feeds | This site is unaffiliated. Obeka, Brute Chronologist's entire textbox simply says "Consequences are stupid.". Hello been a while since i've posted here but had a question, an issue came up in an edh game regarding the interaction between Obeka, Brute Chronologist and Treasure Nabber. Me, and the opponent choosing not to end the turn. Oneka's second ruling states Add to Cart 1; $0.32 . Rulings. After commander legends I made an Obeka EDH list. Switch . Visions of Duplicity can create some chaos with it's two casts, Cultural Exchange is obscene if someone else has better creatures. If you're using Goad effects, War Tax can let an opponent have a way around them, if there is a tax to attack Goad fails, and War Cadence is absolutely devastating with Goad, even a tax of 1 to block can make blocking impossible for weenie decks, and you can use either on anyone's turn. Also "in turn order" doesn't necessarily mean "starting with the active player". Bident of Thassa is glorious if you want both of it's effects, forcing people to attack is incredibly mean, and this doesn't require you to run a weenie like Goblin Diplomats, but that's also a fun card fwiw. . Also worth noting is that ending the turn before the end step causes the At the beginning of the end step effects to trigger at the next end step that occurs since they were not triggered given the skipping of the end step. Commander Legends Foil: Obeka, Brute Chronologist Edition: Commander Legends: Type: Legendary Creature - Ogre Wizard: Cast: Rarity: R: Pow/Tuf: 3/4 . One thing to note about the clean up step here, from gatherer: If any triggered abilities do trigger during this process, theyre put onto the stack during the cleanup step. Does ending the turn at end of combat delay the Final Fortune trigger until my next turn's end step, or does ending the turn with Obeka during combat immediately put any and all end of turn triggers on the stack and I need to find another way to end the turn before those resolve and I lose the game? Card Text: . 719.1d; see also C.R. Isochron Scepter + Final Fortune + Obeka, Brute Chronologist (1582 decks) $13.99 $10.83 0.16 TIX Isochron Scepter $14.99 $15.68 1.01 TIX Final Fortune If Obeka, Brute Chronologist is used to end the turn before an end step starts the triggers will trigger on the next turn's end step. This doesn't work because you are the active player. Obeka's effect jumps directly to the Cleanup Step from whatever step/phase the game currently is at.If the game was in a step/phase prior to the End Step, it would skip past the End Step so nothing triggering on the End Step would trigger this turn. ]), Made possible by our patrons, phpBB, Scryfall, and Others. Out of stock. 4 4 4 comments Best Add a Comment maelstrom197 1 yr. ago From Obeka's reminder text: (Exile all spells and abilities from the stack. Kougaiji38, you seem to have some misconceptions. On the other hand, neither player has any incentive to ever change their action or decision. 2) If there are any attacking and blocking creatures, they're removed from combat. Obeka, Brute Chronologist Commander Primer - Decklist & How to Play. Thanks! by Maelk. It cant include conditional actions, where the outcome of a game event determines the next action a player takes. With the release of Magic 2010, all cards that used to say "at end of turn" were changed to say either "at the beginning of the end step" or "at the beginning of the next end step" (C.R. Per the rules you linked: If two or more players are involved in maintaining a loop within a turn, each player in turn order chooses a number of iterations to perform. Magic the Gathering, FNM is TM and copyright Wizards of the Coast, Inc, a subsidiary of Hasbro, Inc. All rights reserved. Obeka, Brute Chronologist "brute" forcing your opponents to end their turns with loops After commander legends I made an Obeka EDH list. Opponent says no. Commander / EDH* Casual Combo Haste Jank Multiplayer Reanimator Theme/Gimmick Tokens UBR (Grixis) Unearth. by Astroburrito, Kess Wizzards 3) State-based actions are checked. 3) State-based actions are checked. For the cards she plays nicely with, you generally need to allow the trigger to be put on the stack first in order to permanently delete it. Ignore EoT black discard/life loss effects. You can't "but I only did one then you chose no so I do it again" because now you're looping twice to the same board state as a result of the Obeka activation resolution, which is strictly against the rules. That way the trigger has gone off and will not trigger again at a later end step. 719.1b), but it will still trigger again at the next appropriate moment (C.R. The active player is the player whose turn it is. This will allow you to delay the trigger by a turn. DMCA requests | 719.1d; see also C.R. during the end step and while the ability is still on the stack, that ability will be exiled and won't trigger again (C.R. Legendary Creature Ogre Wizard. The entire reason Obeka has 'may' in the card text is to prevent this. Normally, players don't get to do anything in the Cleanup Step, but if something triggers or if a state-based action does something in the Cleanup Step, players do get priority. This isn't even a real thing. I'm not certain the Commander has enough explosive power to consistently win vs 2 decks, but I have very good results in 1 v 1 with my Rakdos deck, and it often has spare cards by the end of the game, be it wipe or removal, because the deck just runs so much of those, with lots of the removal hitting more than 1 target (I love stuff like Phyrexian Purge, Fire Covenant, Make an Example, and Volcanic Offering can each be a terror of a card, and a deck running all of them has lots of pinpoint removal that will clear lots of stuff out. How long can I stop the game like this, and are there any penalties I would suffer under the rules? Don't know if it fits the theme of the deck, but it's an absolute pet card. Say you could build a deck around just Goatnapper-ing someone else's commander and now swinging back at them? Donate below to support the site and remove all ads. Obeka, Brute Chronologist 's entire textbox simply says "Consequences are stupid." Basically, it exiles anything on the stack, you can end your turn and ignore whatever it is, usually just saying no to poopy effects. $0.10. Obeka interaction question with cards that read "next end Obeka until end of turn vs at next end step. by LoneEmberFTW, New Lord Commander / EDH Multiplayer Tokens UBR (Grixis) Cobara86. Here is how it would work. As you've got access to Blue, there are a few non-Rakdos tricks you can use, the most hilarious I know of is Mass Diminish, note that it lasts until your next turn and have a good laugh. 603.7). 511.2, 603.7b). This does literally nothing. But remember, the latest wording of a card is always given in its Oracle text (C.R. Rule juggling is fun but you're overlooking other rules. This site 2023 TappedOut.net, LLC So effects with at, whenever, and when are triggered abilities that go on the stack and can be exiled from the stack by the effect of [[obeka]] and [[sundial of the infinite]]. Priority passes to you. by Jack-Frost, Obeka, Reckless Chronicler ._3-SW6hQX6gXK9G4FM74obr{display:inline-block;vertical-align:text-bottom;width:16px;height:16px;font-size:16px;line-height:16px} "102.1. (Exile all spells and abilities from the stack. All combos are rules exploits in one way or another, this one is just more original. : The player whose turn it is may end the turn. Discord Server | Obeka, Brute Chronologist. You can't use Obeka (or Sundial of the Infinite) to keep "until end of turn" or "this turn" effects running after the current turn is over. Upvote 1. I have Obeka, Brute Chronologist enchanted with Freed from the Real and all the blue mana I need. It's fun, it's a little weird, it's a cool card. I play a lot of Magic. This includes spells and abilities that can't be countered. ._1LHxa-yaHJwrPK8kuyv_Y4{width:100%}._1LHxa-yaHJwrPK8kuyv_Y4:hover ._31L3r0EWsU0weoMZvEJcUA{display:none}._1LHxa-yaHJwrPK8kuyv_Y4 ._31L3r0EWsU0weoMZvEJcUA,._1LHxa-yaHJwrPK8kuyv_Y4:hover ._11Zy7Yp4S1ZArNqhUQ0jZW{display:block}._1LHxa-yaHJwrPK8kuyv_Y4 ._11Zy7Yp4S1ZArNqhUQ0jZW{display:none} This was a great tutorial and explanation of the deck, and well worth the upvote! You are not the active player. Is "Deflecting Swat" free if my commander is an enchantment? There is also Kardur, Doomscourge that will force everyone's hand. Based on CR 722.2a. 514.2). This sequence may be a non-repetitive series of choices, a loop that repeats a specified number of times, multiple loops, or nested loops, and may even cross multiple turns. What do you think about adding anger, lightning greaves and hall of the bandit lord for haste? yeaGO i was thinking for commander wise Crosis, the Purger, Lord Xander, the Collector,Marchesa, Nekusar, the Mindrazer, Nicol Bolas, the Ravager Obeka, Brute Chronologist. Damage wears off, and "this turn" and "until end of turn" effects end. RULINGS. However, I see the argument against you choosing a certain card in the deck to be on top after you imply an infinite number of shuffles, if that was what was really going on. Min price of the total 35 cards for sale. From what I understand, end step effects go on the stack and can be canceled by ending the turn with Obeka, but until end of turn effects do not go on the stack and happen with the cleanup step, therefore they cannot be interacted with. You might get away with adding 2 mana ramp, but I'd still aim for at least 36 lands (or MDFCs that count as a land, you probably already have the best two MDFCs in those colours, but people also run Malakir Rebirth by RowanKeltizar 2 years ago, Post Not if 720.3[edit 722.3] (added reference in OP) takes effect. Login or Register to hide these ads. You might also run stuff like Thran Dynamo or Worn Powerstone to help you hit higher MVs sooner, ramping by only 1 mana feels bad compared to hitting a land drop most of the time, there is also Gilded Lotus, but hitting 5 mana can be rough. A trigger waiting for "the beginning of the next end step" would trigger on the next turn's End Step (assuming it happens, your opponent might have an Obeka too). Reddit and its partners use cookies and similar technologies to provide you with a better experience. Obeka, Brute Chronologist As Commander As Card Average Deck Obeka, Brute Chronologist (Commander) $0.35 $0.25 0.29 TIX 5291 decks (0.269%) Rank #71 Navigation By Theme By Budget All Cheap Expensive Links Aetherhub Archidekt Deckstats Gatherer Moxfield MTGGoldfish MTGStocks Scryfall Average Type Distribution From what I understand, end step effects go on the stack and can be canceled by ending the turn with Obeka, but until end of turn effects do not go on the stack and happen with the cleanup step, therefore they cannot be interacted with. Obeka, Brute Chronologist is a commander that can be built around theft, extra turns or rez strategies. 1x Command Tower. https://blogs.magicjudges.org/rules/mtr4-4/, https://mobile.twitter.com/WotC_Matt/status/1365372480412471296. Flip, Spear Spewer, and Thermo-Alchemist.Some maybe cards include Angrath, Captain of Chaos, and Cryptolith Fragment EDH decks and themes I'm currently playing! Check out BOTH decklists below!First list: https://archidekt.com/decks/2320784#Upping_the_Average_-_Obeka,_Brute_ChronologistBudget list: https://archidekt.com/decks/2270235#Upping_the_Average_-_Obeka,_Brute_Chronologist_(Budget)Title sequence by Daniel Woodling / MTG Explainers: https://bit.ly/3982yYaCard images courtesy of Scryfall: https://scryfall.com/Elevate by LiQWYD https://soundcloud.com/liqwydCreative Commons Attribution 3.0 Unported CC BY 3.0Free Download / Stream: https://bit.ly/liqwyd-elevateMusic promoted by Audio Library https://youtu.be/nwV8HN0m2eA Obeka, Brute Chronologist. As for some cards to remove, I'll take a look, but if I'm trying to build a deck that can handle attention, I look first at cards that will hurt only 1 player, unless that card will almost certainly end that player, either right away or in a few turns. This will allow you to delay the trigger by a turn. Commander protection is major in this deck, as are ways to untap your commander (because Blue says sleepy sleepy). : The player whose turn it is may end the turn. Reddit and its partners use cookies and similar technologies to provide you with a better experience. At any point in the game, the player with priority may suggest a shortcut by describing a sequence of game choices, for all players, that may be legally taken based on the current game state and the predictable results of the sequence of choices. Obeka, Brute Chronologist. Hey all, my friend recently built an Obeka, Brute Chronologist deck and weve been struggling to understand the ruling. @keyframes ibDwUVR1CAykturOgqOS5{0%{transform:rotate(0deg)}to{transform:rotate(1turn)}}._3LwT7hgGcSjmJ7ng7drAuq{--sizePx:0;font-size:4px;position:relative;text-indent:-9999em;border-radius:50%;border:4px solid var(--newCommunityTheme-bodyTextAlpha20);border-left-color:var(--newCommunityTheme-body);transform:translateZ(0);animation:ibDwUVR1CAykturOgqOS5 1.1s linear infinite}._3LwT7hgGcSjmJ7ng7drAuq,._3LwT7hgGcSjmJ7ng7drAuq:after{width:var(--sizePx);height:var(--sizePx)}._3LwT7hgGcSjmJ7ng7drAuq:after{border-radius:50%}._3LwT7hgGcSjmJ7ng7drAuq._2qr28EeyPvBWAsPKl-KuWN{margin:0 auto} Card Name: Obeka, Brute Chronologist Mana Cost: Converted Mana Cost: 4 Types: Legendary Creature Ogre Wizard Card Text: : The player whose turn it is may end the turn. 603.7b, 614.10a). either he does it once and tries to do it again and he's repeating the board state before "demonstrating a loop", or he's stacking x number of unresolved obeka activations. Help | As you will be the next player with extra turns it means that the. Thanks genius for the link. Commander Color Restriction Rules w/ Component Pouch. Obeka, Brute Chronologist can be used during opponents turns, but it is a may ability. If the trigger was a delayed trigger, the ones typically worded "at the beginning of the/your next end step", they only get to trigger once and they did trigger so won't trigger again. Add To Wishlist Restock Notice Gatherer & Rulings. obeka, brute chronologist interaction Asked by The_Overlord_666 1 year ago. Card Text. 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Wouldn't underworld breach exile at the end step of the next player: "At the beginning of the end step, sacrifice Underworld Breach." Flip (for another land, maybe a better rock, there is Thought Vessel, but fixing is sweet in Grixis). obeka, brute chronologist ruling. by LordsofChaos115, Sedris, Grave Defiler. Rince and repeat for each opponent, effectively only giving them untap and upkeep steps until an answer is found, which might be hard without a draw step. Obeka, Brute Chronologist. The other players are nonactive players. 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